Joe Rogan briefly paused discussion on his popular podcast recently, after a guest used a term that reminded him of a show from earlier in his career.

Years before launching The Joe Rogan Experience in 2009, the star made a name for himself as an actor, comedian, and TV personality, appearing in the sitcoms Hardball and NewsRadio, and serving as a color commentator at UFC bouts.

During a recent podcast discussion with UFO investigator and documentary filmmaker James Fox, Rogan was reminded of another one of his shows as the pair spoke about how the term UAPs (unidentified anomalous phenomena) has replaced UFOs (unidentified flying objects) in official communications.

Fox, who recently released his new film The Program, added that the term “drone” is likely used for anything unidentified to deter the public from panicking.

“I think they’re using the word drone, even though they’re unidentified just because of the fear factor,” Fox said. “I think the fear factor is real.”

“Yeah. I can’t help but cringe when I hear that word,” Rogan said with a laugh, prompting Fox to respond: “Oh, sorry, the fear element.”

“It’s so funny; it was too much a part of my life,” Rogan added, continuing to laugh.

Longtime fans may recall that he hosted NBC daredevil show Fear Factor for several years from 2001 until it was dropped by the network in 2006.

Serving as NBC’s answer to CBS hit Survivor, Fear Factor featured teams of contestants taking on a variety of stunts with the goal of winning a grand prize, usually $50,000. Over the years, the show saw two brief revivals, including a MTV version hosted by rapper and actor Ludacris between 2017 and 2018.

Rogan has shared some bold views about UFOs in recent weeks. In mid-December, he floated a theory about recent mystery drone sightings, suggesting the government has deployed drones to acclimate Americans to UFOs.

Residents in New Jersey have repeatedly reported seeing flying objects with lights on operating at night. In a December 17 press release signed by several government agencies and bureaus, officials said the FBI has received tips on more than 5,000 reported drone sightings in recent weeks.

Federal and local officials have been baffled, and some concerned by the reports of mystery drone sightings. They are still working to determine where the drones have come from and why.

Appearing on Rogan’s podcast was Ryan Graves, a former Navy pilot who founded Americans for Safe Aerospace and serves as chair of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics UAP Community of Interest. He said, after speaking with experts, “there’s not a loose nuke or other type of weapons of mass destruction, that these objects, whatever they are, are pursuing right now.”

Graves added: “I have a high confidence level that this is not a response to a massive imminent weapons of mass destruction threat on the Eastern Seaboard.”

Rogan said that the government is “not concerned because this is something they are doing with us, what if they are trying to get us comfortable because they know some real UAPs are on the way.”

Rogan continued: “If you really wanted to get people relaxed to the idea of flying saucers … if you knew that was coming and you didn’t want mass panic—what would you do? You would trickle it in; you would trickle it in slowly.”

The host said that, by having drones hover over cities for several weeks or months, it would “get people really accustomed to the news cycle having UAPs in it, and then real ones show up.”

Dismissing theories that the aircraft are related to aliens, Rogan said: “It’s probably not even—it’s probably our own s***. Or some unknown agency is involved in this; the government is not concerned because they know exactly what’s happening.

“If I wanted to normalize the idea of us being invaded, I’d put stuff in the sky all the time … then, when the real ones come, it’s much less of a blow,” Rogan added.

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